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Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
27 oct 2008
Els espais buits no fan Gràcia : The empty spaces are not funny

So read the new banner that now hangs on the end wall of the new Hort Comunitari, or community garden in Catalan, that was opened in Gracia on Saturday morning. From just being another quite and dry street, theres now a hive of activity in Caller Banyoles; people, laughter, color, sounds, music, dancing, kids playing. Being there one knows that Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia.
Articulo in ingles sobre los accios en Gracia en el nuevo hort. Ahora organisamos intrevistas en ingles par reds de radio en londres, internacional y con el red de climate camp.

mas infos, audios y pelis:

En 2 dias, hay la peli sobre los themas de eco urbanismo en BCN:

El poder de la comunidad – Cómo Cuba sobrevivió al pico del petróleo
http://cineforumbcn.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/2910-20h00-el-poder-de-la-c/

O Puedes ver la version ingles de la peli, con muchos subtitlos aqui:
http://global-ecoforum.ning.com/video/video/show?id=2251574%3AVideo%3A27

Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
http://itsafunnyoldworld.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/graciahort/

climate camp radio
http://www.climatecamp.org.uk/radio

Whats all this Climate Camp stuff then?
http://itsafunnyoldworld.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/climatecamp/

This work is in the public domain

Comentaris

Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
27 oct 2008
Empty heads aren't funny either, even if they're filled up with vegetable soup and "community" and new age amerindian gods non-sense mumblings

Have you come here cos no one stands you in London?

Let the workers fight and smile, not Patcha Mama -althought Marte would be ok-
Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
28 oct 2008
bonica acció, gràcies per brindar bona energia a aquest món malalt

bonita accion, gracias por brindar buena energia a este mundo enfermo

wonderful action, thanks to bring good energy to this mad world
Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
28 oct 2008
1- Proximo assemblia al hort, mañana a las 20h
2- Cómo Cuba sobrevivió al pico del petróleo (peli) - mañana a las 20h
3- In response toF*ck off:
4- Related infos:

1- Proximo assemblia al hort, mañana a las 20h

2- A la mismo hora en C/Portal Nou 30: peli gratis sobre revolucio agricultural en Cuba: Cómo Cuba sobrevivió al pico del petróleo
debate despuis, ven y hablamos
(espero k hacemos una proyection de esta peli pronto en el hort de gracia...)

3- In response toF*ck off:
You seem to be native english speaker yourself, you from there yourself perhaps, if so, how and why you here??

You put forward a lot of judgement and negative stuff, or maybe your just a troll? if not, perhaps you and i can talk, debate etc, while we work in the garden or if you come to the cuba film screening tomorrow night:
( Cómo Cuba sobrevivió al pico del petróleo - peli y debate: http://barcelona.indymedia.org/calendari/displayevent/3034/index.php ) That is if you present your self.

Im not from London, but different place all together, a few times ive helped out /struggled there (most recent climate camp radio: http://www.climatecamp.org.uk/radio ) Plenty of interesting things on there...

"Let the workers fight and smile" - i worked a bit, i smiled a lot over the weekend, did you, were you there?

Remember that "workers" can be both strong and struggling, while also gentle and poetic or spiritual, without the "vegetable soup and "community" and new age amerindian gods non-sense mumblings", if thats how you like to phrase it.

Nuestros amigas y amigas de los paisos indigine de America Latino ven del mundos muchos mas dificile de nuestros, no? y par ellas, Patchamama es mui importante, es en esta respecto que utilizamos esta phraso...

4- Related infos:

Cómo Cuba sobrevivió al pico del petróleo
Puedes ver esta peli original, menus sutitlos castillano aqui: http://global-ecoforum.ning.com/video/video/show?id=2251574%3AVideo%3A27

Paisajes Urbanos Productivos Ininterrumpidos: CPUL (coninous productive food gardens)
http://www.ipes.org/au/pdfs/rau15/16londres15.pdf

Guardian UK newspaper: Urban jungle- As food prices soar, could a project that saw fruit and vegetables grown in town-centre planters and parks be a blueprint for the future?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/mar/26/cityfood/print

Whats all this Climate Camp stuff then?
http://itsafunnyoldworld.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/climatecamp/

Towards a healthier, happier, eco-effective Barcelona
http://global-ecoforum.ning.com/group/territoriosecoinnovadores/forum/to

y par poco de musica:
Sepultura - Roots Bloody Roots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lzqdamO510
Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
28 oct 2008

What makes you think I'm as you? Maybe that would make you feel better? You come here and pretend to give us lessons about Patcha Mama's holy teachings, as a self-appointed missionary, proselityze through guilt insisting of how silent must be and ashamed must feel because in south and centralamerican areas life can be more difficult.

Don't you know we have a long, bloody and proud history and tradition of social fight? Life here has been very difficult. We fought and overcame many difficulties. Many other remain and many other appear in the horizon. Life here is still very difficult for many people and it's getting worse for even more people. If you really like Patcha Mama's teachings and are really interested in central and southamerica then go there. While being here learn about Demeter instead. The great majority of place names in this country bearing the name of "Verge de..." were usually consecrated to Demeter. The catholic worship of the Virgin is a christianization of the ancient worship to Demeter -Mother Earth-.

Nice song, Roots bloody roots, our roots are ancient and sometimes demand to be nourished with blood. Cavalera Conspiracy, the new band of the Cavalera brothers, is very good also. By Night are worth listening too. London is nice, but the West Midlands are nicer. I alhora soc català, que ho sàpigues. I'd rather drink wine with the porró in the Pyrenees or the Olympus to Dionisos and the Gods than munch coca leaves in the Andes to the Patcha Mama although I love all mountains, their misty forests and the Sun -mighty Apollo- rising through their deep snow covered peaks.

Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
29 oct 2008
O brother, where art thou?
Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
29 oct 2008
bonica acció, gràcies per brindar bona energia a aquest món malalt

bonita accion, gracias por brindar buena energia a este mundo enfermo

wonderful action, thanks to bring good energy to this mad world
Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
29 oct 2008
response 2 to F*ck off

I didnt specifically come here, ie BCN, i ended up here and since arriving ive learned many things, and continue to learn things. I have, at times, plugged into some real world things and places and with that met some amazing people and places. it does not bother me whether we, you and i, are similar or not, however you wish to differenciate: We are all different. Each with our strengths, weakness, faults and fuck ups.

Regarding lessons, I dont come to preach, im here and while so i try to interact with things in hope that projects grow, things change and in doing so life is lived, to the maximum. Im well aware of BCN / Catalunya / spain`s difficult history. As stated, i come from a different land altogether, where we too have had our hard times (9m > 2m >@4/5m). Thanks for Demeter slant, i was not aware of her, same here or there, no? same thing happened all over these and other pagan lands In our land we welcome strangers, enjoy the difference and invite them to participate in our worlds, so as to share that we love and cherish. whereas here, what? F*ck off ??

Perhaps reasons i mention patcha mama and not demater is that most friends here are from latin america, it would be nice to meet more, learn more, do more with and in the catalan world. This is exactly the type of thing which makes gardens magic: yeah we plant food and stuff, but they are far more important than that...

This, the virtual world, is only an aide to the real world. So F*ck off, if you still want me to fuck off, come and tell me so tonight when we talk about how best to work toward making this world more sound and ecological, and beautiful. Share your vision on how to change things, excite us to work with you on projects, share what you know.

And if you cant make it tonight, share your views, have this chat in real world...

Yasta, adeu

dunk
Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
29 oct 2008
response 2 to F*ck off

I didnt specifically come here, ie BCN, i ended up here and since arriving ive learned many things, and continue to learn things. I have, at times, plugged into some real world things and places and with that met some amazing people and places. it does not bother me whether we, you and i, are similar or not, however you wish to differenciate: We are all different. Each with our strengths, weakness, faults and fuck ups.

Regarding lessons, I dont come to preach, im here and while so i try to interact with things in hope that projects grow, things change and in doing so life is lived, to the maximum. Im well aware of BCN / Catalunya / spain`s difficult history. As stated, i come from a different land altogether, where we too have had our hard times (9m > 2m >@4/5m). Thanks for Demeter slant, i was not aware of her, same here or there, no? same thing happened all over these and other pagan lands In our land we welcome strangers, enjoy the difference and invite them to participate in our worlds, so as to share that we love and cherish. whereas here, what? F*ck off ??

Perhaps reasons i mention patcha mama and not demater is that most friends here are from latin america, it would be nice to meet more, learn more, do more with and in the catalan world. This is exactly the type of thing which makes gardens magic: yeah we plant food and stuff, but they are far more important than that...

This, the virtual world, is only an aide to the real world. So F*ck off, if you still want me to fuck off, come and tell me so tonight when we talk about how best to work toward making this world more sound and ecological, and beautiful. Share your vision on how to change things, excite us to work with you on projects, share what you know.

And if you cant make it tonight, share your views, have this chat in real world...

Yasta, adeu

dunk
links didnt come through: still learning..
29 oct 2008
garden magic
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/69689

pagan
http://itsafunnyoldworld.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/pagan/
Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
29 oct 2008
There are amazing places and people everywhere.

To interact from mutual respect is the best way to learn about them.

What makes them interesting is difference, contrast in every imaginable shade of colour.

As an Irish you know well about what means your right to be Irish, you had to fight very hard to achieve it, not because you felt better than anyone else but because you know you simply have the right to be yourself.

And that's your unique contribution to make the world an interesting and amazing place.

If we were all the same it would become boring and grey.

What makes a garden beautiful, at least in my eyes, is to see different kinds of flowers growing freely in it. Yes, they're all flowers. But they aren't all the same.

Lupins, daffodils and wisterias are the flowers I like most:

They die and return to life. It's Demeter in action. Death and revival. Strength. Struggle. Hope.

I have nothing against Patcha Mama. It probably represents something similar to Demeter. But it's not the same. Here in Europe, in the Latin Europe, in the Catalan Countries, it's Demeter's place.

I wish you the best with your project.

Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
29 oct 2008
madmind creates names to fragment the circle
Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
30 oct 2008
o es rotllo conya de Tourist go homes, o no entenc res. Perquè està tot en anglès?
Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
30 oct 2008
Freemind says és una llàstima que no sàpigues anglès.
Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
30 oct 2008
Freemind0madmind

Demetertelametepachamamatelamama comprens? o en qui idioma voles que te parle?
Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
30 oct 2008
"Tourist come a la terra seca" és un apassionant exemple de multiculturalisme lingüístico-jerarquic. En anglès, en castellà i finalment en català. Gracies per convidar-me a menjar a la Terra Seca, mentre hi hagi vi a dojo ja m'està bé. No t'amoïnis tant per l'anglès xeic!! No serà que ets [... silenci tens i dramàtic...] xenòfob?
Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
31 oct 2008
lo de xenòfob resulta una resposta molt previsble i molt limitada, fins i tot més limitada que el meu títol trilingüe, que almenys és expansiu, (poèticament i lingüísticament) i no exclusiu (estratègia politica, retòric)

la terra seca és un problema per a totes, no només en el que tu divides com catalunya, espanya o fins i tot europa, (unificat per per a tu, sota el teu deessa demeter)

sera la lluna més humida en un futur proper? Turisme low cost per gaudir raïm espacials??

una trista notícia sobre el vi (en castellà):

http://www.cincodias.com/articulo/Sentidos/vinedos-preparan-cambio-clima/

finnaly,

thanks for respond to me, Indymedia is a good space for the interchange of ideas, and for to practice languages as well, for being able to express the ideas widely (the circle again).
Maybe next time in esperanto?

un petó molt gran,
Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
31 oct 2008
Has descobert en llegir el meu post que havies escrit per accident una frase trilingüe, en haver intentat escriure el que es tradueix com "turista vine a la Terra Seca" perque aquest "come" pot ser tant un verb anglès com un verb espanyol, i el millor de tot és que te dos sentits molt diferents en un i altre idioma. Vol dir això que estigui jo dividint? Te alguna cosa a veure ambg allò de la terra seca i humida i etc.? Cal fer dwe tot un problema? And why esperanto when we already have Latin? Apollo, Atenea and Demeter our Trinity... in damp and dry land, you know what I mean dontcha?
Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
31 oct 2008
He trobat una altra paraula que s'usa tant en anglès com en castellà, és la paraula solo, té similituds en ambdós idiomes però també té diferències, ja que en castellà significa també soledat,

En cat la paraula sol pot associar-se tant a la soledat com al sol que ens dóna el raïm.

Si saps llatí, potser trobis altres similituds, segur que hi haurà,
Re: Hort Comunitari @ Gracia: Patcha Mama smiles again in Gracia
31 oct 2008
Seria trist que aqui ja no s'hi fes vi. Esperem que no succeeixi el que s'esmenta a la noticia.
BCN ECO RADIO: BCN eco debate: Cómo Cuba sobrevivió al pico del petróleo (despuis la peli)
03 nov 2008
El poder de la comunidad – Cómo Cuba sobrevivió al pico del petróleo- Puedes eschuchar al debate despuis esta proyecio aqui.

detalos sobre audio carpeta:
60mins, format: MP3, language: Castillano

mas infos:
It´s A Funny Old World y IMC-RADIO
BCN ECO RADIO: BCN eco debate: Cómo Cuba sobrevivió al pico del petróleo (despuis la peli)
03 nov 2008
El poder de la comunidad – Cómo Cuba sobrevivió al pico del petróleo- Puedes eschuchar al debate despuis esta proyecio aqui.

detalos sobre audio carpeta:
60mins, format: MP3, language: Castillano

mas infos:
It´s A Funny Old World y IMC-RADIO
BCN ECO RADIO: BCN eco debate: Cómo Cuba sobrevivió al pico del petróleo (despuis la peli)
03 nov 2008
El poder de la comunidad – Cómo Cuba sobrevivió al pico del petróleo- Puedes eschuchar al debate despuis esta proyecio aqui.

detalos sobre audio carpeta:
60mins, format: MP3, language: Castillano

mas infos:
It´s A Funny Old World y IMC-RADIO

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